Curse

freekedoutfish · May 04, 2007, 11:39 AM // 11:39

At the moment, hard mode is accessible as such (from wiki)..

"To access hard mode, a player must first complete the final mission of a campaign normally. As long as one character on an account has completed a campaign, all level 20 characters on that account will gain access to hard mode for that campaign."

..I think thats slightly flawed.

Hard Mode (by my understanding) is for the experienced players who have earned the right to play it. They have earned that right by completing that campaign to its full insensity.

I.E - All primary and secondary missions and/or masters = "Protector of...."

But the current system lets any of your level 20 characters play a campaign in hard mode aslong as atleast one of your characters has completed the last mission.

Your not required to have attained Protector for that campaign. Your not even required to have played one single mission in that campaign.

The result is, you cant quarantee that all players asking for HM actually know or understand the campaign at all.

But shouldnt a player who is doing HM, understand that campaign inside and out? Shouldnt HM offer a quarantee that your playing with experienced players?

Example....

You could have a situation where a player completes prophercies with an elemental and unlocks HM in Tyria. He then creates a cantha warrior, levels it to 20 and brings it to Tyria.

That lvl20 warrior has full access to HM in prophercies, but has no experience of playing the missions.

You add that warrior to your team, under the impresson hes experienced at that campaign and wont require instructions or help or baby-sitting.

You get into the mission and the entire thing goes heads-up because of a novice player, trying to do something that is too hard for them.

Now certain HM missions in Tyria are easy, but others are really hard. If your having trouble doing it, the last thing you need is a complete Novice joining the team.

Open to risks...

You also have the risk of people purely lvling their characters to 20, and trying to do HM purely to farm better items. Even if they dont know that campaign and with no real interest in completing it, and playing badly.

I request that Anet make accessing Hard Mode require that you have "Protector of...." for that campaign, and that it be unique to that character.

At the minute, its open to abuse and novice players who shouldnt be doing it. It also means we have no quarantee about the experience of players in the team, when realistically we should. Hard Mode should give some guarantee of experience in the campaign.

I know some players will say "But thats restricting to those who dont want to grind to get HM." My response is...

..tough. Hard Mode is something you should have to work for. Not something thats given out like candy. Plus how is completing attainting protector grinding? If your too lazey to get protector, then I wouldnt want you in my team.

Retribution X · May 04, 2007, 11:45 AM // 11:45

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Your not required to have attained Protector for that campaign. Your not even required to have played one single mission in that campaign.

The result is, you cant quarantee that all players asking for HM actually know or understand the campaign at all.

Um, how the hell do you complete a campaign without playing any missions? I'm missing that part...

Corinthian · May 04, 2007, 11:46 AM // 11:46

Yeah and make it so that your guild has to be in top 100 and you must have at least 10 000 000 Kurzick/Luxon faction and you must pay 1000 balth or one plat to enter each area and... sheesh. Did you get a bad PUG or something?

Series · May 04, 2007, 11:47 AM // 11:47

Horrible idea.

Would rage quit Guild Wars if it happened.

Wont be implemented.

It isn't like there is an abundance of people sitting there to do each mish.

Take what you can get.

Or go with guildies so you don't have to fear someone who may not be as "uberleet" as you.

/unsigned, but it doesn't matter. Wont be implemented.

MMSDome · May 04, 2007, 11:49 AM // 11:49

/not signed

Do you honesly think people would vote yes to this. What your asking would never happen, it requies to much grind and no one would ever vote this in. Your hilarious.

Milennin · May 04, 2007, 11:53 AM // 11:53

Hahah yeah. /signed
One time I was trying to do Aurora Glade mission and bonus on hard-mode; after explaining the tactic right before the crystal-running part one of the Monks decides to go his own way and says he's going to search for the Demagogue (what the hell?).
We could've made it if he just had done that mission and bonus in normal mode and knew he only had to help defending one of the crystal pedestals.=\

Tera · May 04, 2007, 11:56 AM // 11:56

/not signed,
i agree with dome and series, to much grind, and very little point, if you get a bad pug and fail the mission, remember who they where and get a new group,

'but that will waste time!'

so? if you have enough time to write an essay on why HM should only be for protectors, then you have enough time to do the mission twice

freekedoutfish · May 04, 2007, 11:57 AM // 11:57

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Originally Posted by Retribution X

Um, how the hell do you complete a campaign without playing any missions? I'm missing that part...

Did you not read the quote from guildwiki? At lvl20 you can do HM on any campaign, that a previous character has completed. You could take a lvl20 char over from elona to cantha, who has done no canthan missions and start doing HM.

Thats how.

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Originally Posted by Series

Or go with guildies so you don't have to fear someone who may not be as "uberleet" as you.

When Did I say I was "uberleet".

The only words I used were "experienced" and "knowledgeable" and "novice"! Thats not thinking im l33t, thats expecting people to understand the missions before they do HM.

I avoided even using the word noob or newbie for a reason. I dont like them.

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Originally Posted by MMSDome

...it requies to much grind and no one would ever vote this in. Your hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Tera

i agree with dome and series, to much grind, and very little point, if you get a bad pug and fail the mission, remember who they where and get a new group,

I'm sorry, what? How lazey can you get. How is being asked to attain protector for a campaign grinding?

Im not requesting people go out and farm 100k, achieve 1million Kuzack points, or kill 1million creatures to enter hard mode.

I'm requesting people attain Protector! Is that really too much to ask? I must be on a different planet where protector is something most people try to attain, something people take pride in.

Protector isnt something pointless and meaingless. Its a sign that you have pushed yourself the best you can in a campaign.

I honestly cant believe there are players who think getting protector is a waste of time. Do you have no pride in your PvE that you dont feel satisfied until you've complete a mission the best you can?

Sorry but its people like you, who are too lazey to get Protector who I wouldnt want playing HM. If your too lazey to get primary and secondary and master in normal mode, then why bother playing Hard Mode?

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Originally Posted by Tera

so? if you have enough time to write an essay on why HM should only be for protectors, then you have enough time to do the mission twice

And you dont have enough time to get protector?

GreatLich · May 04, 2007, 12:00 PM // 12:00

TopicStarter:
What you apparently fail to comprehend is that knowledge of the missions and campaign is tied to players not characters(sp?) If your example "newb wammo" has completed tyria with his ele, then he is not without experience of the missions is he? the knowledge carries through with the player not the character

Vel · May 04, 2007, 12:01 PM // 12:01

/NOT SIGNED

Getting people to play in hard mode is difficult as hell. Setting up a group itself is a mission. One thing for sure will happen.....no one will be able to complete Vizunah Square in hard mode. 16 Protectors of Cantha available at the same time???

Sorry, I don't do weed.

- Vel

Avarre · May 04, 2007, 12:05 PM // 12:05

Making the game more accessable is a good thing.

Allowing players to have more characters and play choices with less mission grind is a good thing.

/not signed

freekedoutfish · May 04, 2007, 12:18 PM // 12:18

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Originally Posted by GreatLich

TopicStarter:
What you apparently fail to comprehend is that knowledge of the missions and campaign is tied to players not characters(sp?) If your example "newb wammo" has completed tyria with his ele, then he is not without experience of the missions is he? the knowledge carries through with the player not the character

It isnt just their experience of doing that campaign which they might not have. Its the experience of doing that campaign using that profession, or just using that profession full-stop.

Using the warrior example I said -

A player takes his canthan warrior to Tyria at level 20. He rushed it to level 20 in factions (as you do) and then takes it Tyria with little experience of the profession.

He also has no experience against Tyrian creatures as a warrior because he hasnt fought them before as one.

Yet hes allowed into HM, and allowed to join a PUG that expects experience with that profession, aswell as experience in the campaign.

I really dont see how requiring protector from a character before they can do HM is so much to ask. Its hardly hard work to get.

I'm not asking the impossible.

freekedoutfish · May 04, 2007, 12:20 PM // 12:20

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Originally Posted by Vel

/NOT SIGNED

Getting people to play in hard mode is difficult as hell. Setting up a group itself is a mission. One thing for sure will happen.....no one will be able to complete Vizunah Square in hard mode. 16 Protectors of Cantha available at the same time???

Sorry, I don't do weed.

- Vel

All my characters are "Protector of....[which ever campaign their in]"! Its not exactly hard. I dont see the issue. If your the kind of person to run off 16 characters at one time, then you just need to pick a favourite and work on them.

legion_rat · May 04, 2007, 12:31 PM // 12:31

/notsigned as it adds to elitism.

heres how i would fix it. I do agree with some (SOME) of your point that someone new to playing a war (or any other proff) could get power leveled or play a canthan char not not quite know what they are doing. So heres the solution. Do not make it based on account make it based on character. To a point I agree that inexperienced players will make a PUG harder than it should be. But to penalized players for not getting protector is a bad idea. I have beaten all three games, and have protector in only one. Why? because I wished to beat the game and would take what group i could get or i would hero hench them. But i know the missions i know the game. Why should i or any other player who didnt feel like beating the mission in a set amout of time was all the important get the boot in hard mode?

~the rat~

Chris Blackstar · May 04, 2007, 12:31 PM // 12:31

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

Did you not read the quote from guildwiki? At lvl20 you can do HM on any campaign, that a previous character has completed. You could take a lvl20 char over from elona to cantha, who has done no canthan missions and start doing HM.

Thats how.

If a player creates a character for one campaign, say a ranger, and completes every single mission. Then decides to create a monk from a different chapter to go back and play HM from the prevous chapter, how would they not know the missions. The player plays the toon, the toon does not play himself. The player had to complete the campaign to gain access to hard mode, just because the player is using a different toon from another campaign, doesn't mean the player suddenty loses all knowledge on how the play the campaign that hard mode was unlocked for.

I will admit some players just get themselves power leveled and really don't know how to play the new profession, but most don't. Besides your suggestion was put forth before, but shot down because hard mode is for everyone. Not select players, and not everyone cares about the protector title, I don't have it for anyone of my toons, but have completed every single campaign with multible toons, what you are saying would prevent me from playing hard mode because of a title. That's a little unfair isn't it?

/not signed

Mitchel · May 04, 2007, 01:01 PM // 13:01

/notsigned
Less PvE QQ plz?
Just invite only people who have the title if you have to, sjeesh.

isamu kurosawa · May 04, 2007, 01:06 PM // 13:06

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

[B]..tough. Hard Mode is something you should have to work for. Not something thats given out like candy. Plus how is completing attainting protector grinding? If your too lazey to get protector, then I wouldnt want you in my team.

from the system alreay implemented its clear this isn't the case, just because you think it should be something to work this hard for, doesn't mean others, including anet do.

VinnyRidira · May 04, 2007, 01:07 PM // 13:07

/not signed

You have to work to kill the Lich, Shiro, and the Lich+Shiro and Abbadon. Next think you will ask us to complete DoA, the Titan Quests and Urgoz and the Deep. Its perfectly adequate as it is.

Nekretaal · May 04, 2007, 01:08 PM // 13:08

/notsigned

It's impossible to find groups already and you want less people to play?

Besides, I cant beat the mime because I never had a male ranger and I dont know the emotes... I can beat up abbadon and mallyx and master every other mission but cant play because of that? Thats silly.

TedTheDead · May 04, 2007, 01:09 PM // 13:09

/not signed

Forced grind with every character for every campaign for no reason? No thanks.

Someone's Wammo didnt get healed in time methinks.